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On any of the six systems of my own, one that just uses SATA and the other five use SATA RAID, none of them are recognized from the XP installation CD unless I either press F6 and load the drivers off of floppy, or integrate the drivers with either nLite or DriverPacks. This is the case even on reinstallations even though the hard drives are already formatted. I've reinstalled these systems many, many times and each time I need to load the driver. Not denying that it works the way it did for you, but I think that must be some kind of exception and not the rule.
Apr 26, 2016 Contrary to popular belief, you can still find legitimate ISOs of Windows XP Pro. Where can i find a legit XP Pro ISO? This person is a verified professional. 'This file is a CD image file for users who wish to create an update CD for Windows XP Service Pack 3'.
Skyfrog: Just to make things clear: What people are asking for is genereic support for the feature in SATA drives called AHCI (.). AHCI is implementet in more and more new motherboards and complete systems. A lot of these pc's an laptops do not give the option to use 'normal mode' - the mode, you correctly state, does not care if it is an Parallel-ATA of Serial-ATA drive. AHCI support is NOT included in Windows XP. Windows reports 'no harddrives found' on AHCI machines, ( Normal (S)ATA is of course included in a generic driver, that works with all major chipsets.
) The reason why people are crying out for this beeing a part of SP3 is simple: When installing XP, controller drivers that are not included, must be inserted via the F6 prompt. This requires an actual floppy drive or BIOS ability to emulate a USB stick as floppy. The first is not present in most PC's - and definetly not in laptops - today. The latter requires quite some knowledge, and a BIOS willing to cooperate. The people who are most affected by this problem are ( since they can legally install an existing license on a new PC ): People who payed full price for a Retail Windows XP - and Business customers.
MS has however stated that no new drivers will be included in SP3 - period. But MS has been persuaded to include High Definition Audio support ( a separate update in SP2 ). I personally am very thankfull for that. MS has still not replied on the question, wether it would be easy for them to rewrite the current Windows Vista driver. AHCI is the official implementation of new features in SATA drives including support for native command queing (NCQ).
NCQ allows the harddrive to rearrange read and write commands to reduce the amount of time and head movements needed to read the requested files. AHCI requires a separate driver, just like separate SATA chips, RAID controllers etc. Lars Kruse I'm not a complete idiot - several parts are missing. WHAT YOU AND I CAN DO IS NOT THE POINT!!
I use nlite regularly. But even some of my colleagues have no clue on how to use nlite.
The average user - with only one downed PC - has no chance either. The knowlegable helper, who came to assist, must know about nlite and have an image prepared. Not something you can expect to happen. The chance that he can get his hands on a SP3 CD is better. But MOST importantly - images created with Nlite are not supported by MS. Thats why we want MS to include it. Best Regards Lars Kruse.
So rude and hostile, you don't have to yell. You don't address DriverPacks that I mentioned. If all one needs is updated drivers of one kind or another, I would certainly point someone to before nLite. NLite has so much more capability which is why I mentioned both. Secondly, the 'average user' has absolutely no idea how to install Windows, what's involved, what's going to happen because of it, what they need to do so or what preparations they should make before attempting it. I build, update and repair people's computers for a living, and no average user I've ever met has ever attempted to install Windows themselves; which makes sense since they are not a technie like me, but a user.
None of them even want to know how to install Windows, and believe me I have no interest in keeping the secrets of installing Windows shrouded in mystery. I am actually the opposite and have learned the hard way to hold back the information that I find my customers don't even want, but if they are sincerely interested and have questions, then I answer them to the appropriate extent depending on the person. A couple of my customers have asked me slightly more advanced questions, but still not approaching wanting to know how to install Windows themselves.
According to what's been said before your post, they are actually concerned with just SATA drivers, but not updated RAID drivers of any sort. I use and encourage RAID in all systems I build. No matter what MS included, there would continue to be current and future chipsets which SP3 would not include drivers for. This was not the intention of SP3 in the first place, and you're talking about a more than six year old OS; albeit the most popular and rightly so Windows ever. Whether we hate Vista more than like it, we have to temper what we would like with reality. Third, I and many other techies I associate with have never been concerned whether MS supports nLited images or not.
My customers always come to me first and I'm happy to help them. And through my use of nLite I am able to put far superior and resilient installations of Windows on my customer's systems.
My aim has always been to make computers as self-sustaining as possible, so that the customer gets the best performance without having to concern themselves with the details. I hope this wasn't too longwinded but I felt it was neccessary. Sorry 'bout the outburst. I have a tendency to bee hotheaded. The reason i was so negative is that i read your input as counter-productive to 'the cause'.
The request for this driver support is widespread. I must stress that AHCI is not a RAID driver, nor is it some special feature on a few motherboards. It is the replacement for standard IDE /ATAPI (including 'normal' SATA ) on mainstream motherboards and mainstream systems from HP, Lenovo etc. The driver is included i Windows Vista.
What we ask for is an equivalent to the 'standard dual channel PCI IDE controller' - ATAPI.SYS. ATAPI.SYS works with just about every chipset and many - if not most - separate IDE or SATA chips. It allows you to boot an gived basic functionallty in windows without hardware specific drivers. I apologise for the lecture if you allready know this - was not sure, reading your post Peace:-) lars. XP SP3 setup unfortunately does not integrate a generic AHCI driver to allow installation on a SATA drive set up to run in native mode. Without such a driver manufacturer specific drivers have to be supplied with F6 and floppy method, or integrated manually onto the installtion CD.
Without the driver present the setup will either report no drives present or bluescreen. If the SATA controller is setup in IDE mode in BIOS, installation is possible buit changing the controller back to AHCI mode will require a reboot which will result in a bluescreen. A repair installation CD with integrated AHCI drivers will work to fix it. Dear Lars and Kevin: Although this tread appears to be somewhat old, I felt very much encouraged to add my two cents to it. Actually, my post is more of a 'thank you' sort, than of a collaborative sort - I couldn't ever surpass or even equal both your contributions. As I said before, this post is to thank you gentlemen, for pointing me the right direction to go, in order to solve the SATA problem in my machine. Here's a quick spec of it: - ABIT NF7-S rev.
2 Motherboard (with two SATA ports + two ATAPI IDE 133 ports); - AMD Athlon XP 2800+ processor; - 1 GB RAM (very soon to be 2.5GB.); - 120GB storage, split into 2 separate HDs (formerly); 500GB storage, in a SATA HD (currently, thanks to both of you, gentlemen); - XFX video card - 256MB video memory, Nvidia chipset; - Windows 2000 Professional. So anyways, the story is that since 1996 I've always built and upgraded my own machines, dealing with all the hassles, mishaps and frustrations myself. Prior to that, I learned the basics by having worked as a hardware technician for over 3 years. I can safely say I usually know my way around. But even with my hands-on experience, this SATA issue really gave me the most headaches I can remember of. Simply unbelievably frustrating. As you can both already tell, I recently decided to upgrade my machine by adding a Maxtor STM3500320AS SATA storage and more RAM.
So the SATA HD arrived 3 days ago, and getting past the 'INACCESSIBLEBOOTDEVICE' BSOD was my nightmare for the last 3 days. My problem was slightly different than the average, as a Google search turned out, since most solutions pointed to 'adding the SATA drivers by hitting F6 key' during the XP installation procedure. My problem was, I already had a running installation (migrated from the old ATA disks to the SATA unit via Norton Ghost) and I had no intention whatsoever to start it all over again with a fresh Windows install, just because of this SATA issue - in my opinion, this would be ridiculous. So I decided to venture into this F6 solution anyways, only by slightly changing the proccess - I went all the way by booting with the W2K Setup CD and hitting F6, but instead of reinstalling (F3), I tried the repair option, which to my luck (and Thank God Almighty), proved to be successful for me. As I presumed, the repair option copied the driver files, previously loaded from my motherboard manufacturer's floppy, to my current installation, thus enabling it to 'see' my SATA drive.
What a fluke!! So anyways, thank you gentlemen for giving me the necessary pointers.
And I might add, reading through your discussion was a delight to me as well. Sincerely, Werner Moecke Micro$oft Motto: 'Where do we want you to go today?'
I am trying to install a fresh copy of XPPro. Booting normally to desktop, no problem.
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When I'm booting into XP install mode, it says there is no HDD present. The board is an MSI MS 7082 V1, with a Phoenix AwardBIOS V6.00PG. The customer has absolutely no documentation for the board, and I can't google up anything for setting up the BIOS to recognize the SATA Drive. The drive is a WDC WD800JD. Obviously, the original builder (Equus) was able to do the original install. I talked to them, and the instructions to change in the BIOS, don't exist. As this system is FUBAR with virus, etc, only a nuke and reload will correct everything.
If someone can point me to the information I need, I'll owe you one. I'm beginning to think my google foo has died. Thanks, Racer. Looking through the BIOS setup screen for version 1.3 of that motherboard's BIOS, the 'SiS Serial ATA Mode' option is disabled, so you cannot toggle between IDE and RAID options (which are the only two options), and it's set to 'RAID' by default. Unless you'd like a modified BIOS to enable this option, you'll have to find a floppy drive, a floppy disk, and use drivers to load the required SATA drivers (using F6 when prompted in textmode setup) in order to install XP. Also, the more common model number for that motherboard is 661FM3-L.
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Helps when Googling for things. I guess I'm going to have to sleep on this tonight. Either the floppy drive I'm using is screwed, or the one on the destination machine isn't reading right. I keep getting an error message, txtsetup.oem is missing. Well, it isn't in the file.
I've checked the different downloads available from MSI, and the one that has it, won't work in this application. Unfortunately, the different BIOS I can find on their site don't tell me what they'll do. So it's time for a long snooze, and I'll attack it in the morning. What port is the Drive Connected to? Ie is there one for Raid and one for normal use (part of the chipset)? Also please list the Model Name it's lots easier to find info that way 661FM3-L (MS-7082) That board does have dual Sata Controllers! Also what HD exactly are you trying to install?
Ie is it Sata II? If so it may require jumper to downgrade to Sata I to work correctly.
Get the manual from the link above for the MB. Clear the CMOS to see if that will allow the options to work correctly in BIOS. Move Jumper and unplug MB from power. DM: The HDD is WD SATAI, connected to the SATA 1 header. You have the correct Model number in your post: 661FM3-L.
It has the SIS 964 chipset, that supposedly has Dual SATA controllers. Which would imply to me that I can set them up in the BIOS. I've cleared the CMOS, and it is still no go. Don't have a clue why the drivers I try to install at F6 don't seem to want to work. I have a controller card in one of my machines that may, or may not work.
Wait a minute. I just noticed on the second boot screen, it is IDing the HDD as SATA 1, and nothing on SATA 2 port, so the machine is recognizing the HDD. Now I need to find out why the XP install keeps telling me there isn't a HDD. If I was getting paid anything for this, I'd try my XP Pro Sp3, instead of the Sp2 his machine has.
Maybe that would correct the failure to ID the drive. Just a quick note to say thanks for the help. Got new floppy drives in my main systems, made up the F6 floppy, and voila! I guess one never knows when something like a bad drive will pop up.
You'd expect them to last more than 15 years! Regarding the BIOS upgrade, I'm going to wait till the load is done, and flash in from windows. Thanks Lagushka for the upgrade. Thanks all, Racer DON'T flash that from Windows. Flash from a DOS bootable flash drive preferably, otherwise floppy. That's very bad advice. With Windows loaded, the BIOS is sat there being absolutely ignored and it's quite safe to flash.
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In DOS mode, the BIOS is intimately involved with the workings of the system in every way. Back with Windows98, due to Win98 being unstable and Windows-based flash utils being immature, it was indeed risky. But that was over a decade ago. Just a quick note to say thanks for the help. Got new floppy drives in my main systems, made up the F6 floppy, and voila! I guess one never knows when something like a bad drive will pop up. You'd expect them to last more than 15 years!
Regarding the BIOS upgrade, I'm going to wait till the load is done, and flash in from windows. Thanks Lagushka for the upgrade. Thanks all, Racer DON'T flash that from Windows. Flash from a DOS bootable flash drive preferably, otherwise floppy. That's very bad advice. With Windows loaded, the BIOS is sat there being absolutely ignored and it's quite safe to flash. In DOS mode, the BIOS is intimately involved with the workings of the system in every way.
Back with Windows98, due to Win98 being unstable and Windows-based flash utils being immature, it was indeed risky. But that was over a decade ago.
I see your point. I've always read to flash modified BIOSes in DOS, but perhaps there isn't much merit to it (except possibly some switches/arguments not available on a Windows flash utility). MSI didn't include a Windows flash utility with the BIOS, however.